Global Warming or Cooling?

[Gwizz]

Global warming server was hacked. Global warming people are not happy that information, where discussions of data being changed so it looked like it supported global warming. This information was not intended to be made public on the Internet, even though it was on a secured part of a public University server.

There is much information. So I will only include a few details then give the link.

Statements from the supporters of global warming after the hack made their e-mails public:

"We are aware that information from a server used for research information
in one area of the university has been made available on public websites,"
the spokesman stated.
"Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm
that all of this material is genuine." "This information has been obtained and published
without our permission and we took immediate action to remove the server in question from
operation." (they also canceled all passwords.
"We are undertaking a thorough internal investigation and we have involved
the police in this enquiry."

(It is apparent that the information was intended to remain hidden.)

Some of their additional comments, trying to explain some of the documents that were made public.

……People working constructively to improve joint publications; scientists who are friendly and agree on many of the big picture issues, disagreeing at times about details and engaging in ‘robust’ discussions; Scientists expressing frustration at the misrepresentation of their work in politicized arenas and complaining when media reports get it wrong; Scientists resenting the time they have to take out of their research to deal with over-hyped nonsense. None of this should be shocking……

Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that "I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline."
TGIF asked Jones about the controversial email discussing "hiding the decline", and Jones explained what he was trying to say….

The following link is what was posted on the Internet. It is long but still only part of what the hack pulled out of the Universities server.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/b ... -released/

[Sugus]

Play 'Borduria after the war' and the answer is yours ...

[nedfumpkin]

Here's a picture from a recent protest about global warming....thousands gathered in support of Al Gore....

[Hawk]

I can certainly understand why they would support Al Gore.

[Sugus]

Goodness me! What can we do?

[Gwizz]

It is snowing on the global Warming people today.

I would have expected that area of the world to normally get snow.
The comment was made that snow is not normal during this time of the year???

[Barney]

Goodness me! What can we do?

For some reason, the answer appears to be "Send more money to develop the developing world." How this is suppose to curb pollution, I do not know. Unless we are talking about getting rid of all that dirty blood money in my wallet, that does not exist.

It is snowing on the global Warming people today.

I would have expected that area of the world to normally get snow.
The comment was made that snow is not normal during this time of the year???

Do not worry, it is only a momentary bout with the Albino Effect. I am sure you remember that. Based on that line, Ned was suppose to be covered in glaciers buy now. Then come to think of it, you were suppose to be also. Glad I never built that Ski resort in the mountains of Florida.

By the way ned, Would that be a picture of the delegates to COP15?

[Sugus]

Ok, 2010 - let's look what we can do! You at your job and I in the same way.

[Hawk]

Ok, 2010 - let's look what we can do! You at your job and I in the same way.

Do about what? Dispel the global warming con?

[Sugus]

I'll try to simply sit at my desk and do really nothing! This way I do not at all produce any kind of heat ...

[Hawk]

The problem isn't doing anything. The problem is breathing. You exhale carbon dioxide.

[Gwizz]

All animals exhale carbon dioxide.
All plants need carbon dioxide to live.

We can't have one without the other.

What we have are idiot profiteers trying to make a buck without thinking about consequences. If too many believe their lies and act on these lies, disastrous results are possible.

These global warming idiots must have been schooled under the new education programs that teach us to be good followers and not critical thinkers.

[Beancounter]

What we have are idiot profiteers trying to make a buck without thinking about consequences. If too many believe their lies and act on these lies, disastrous results are possible.

These global warming idiots must have been schooled under the new education programs that teach us to be good followers and not critical thinkers.

I always thought Gore was just riding the wave of environmental awareness (and profiting from it). But when I found out that he built a big house without any environment-friendly systems in it, I knew he didn't believe a word he was saying. Just a two-faced BSer.

In terms of environmentalist not having critical thinking skills... The same could be said for a lot of different groups and people out there who will always believe what they want to believe regardless of the evidence (or lack of evidence) available.

Here's a story I once heard.

A lab tech put a frog in a shallow pan of boiling water. the frog immediately jumped out.

The next day the tech put the same frog in a pan of cold water. He slowly increased the heat. Just a little a time over the course of the day. Oblivious to the small increases in temperature, the frog just sat there happily croaking away. Eventually the tech turned the heat to boiling and before the frog knew what was happening, he had been boiled to death.

In other words, just because you are not currently feeling the effects of something today, doesn't mean that nothing is happening. An obvious example would be smoking, but it can be applied to other things as well.

[Hawk]

The problem isn't doing anything. The problem is breathing. You exhale carbon dioxide.

All animals exhale carbon dioxide.
All plants need carbon dioxide to live.

We can't have one without the other.

Just for clarification purposes, I was being sarcastic.

[Gwizz]

Your sarcasm was correct, either way.

There has been talk about reducing the number of livestock world wide because they are a large polluter. Reduce the number of animals on the planet and plant production is also reduced.

This reduces our food supply, which I understand is in short supply world wide.
More people may starve to death, which further reduces the worlds population.

Mother nature has everything in a balance.

Reducing the worlds population is one of the goals of the New World Order.
Gore seems to violate all the rules that he says the average man must comply with.

Everything seems part of some master plan.

[Beancounter]

Your sarcasm was correct, either way.

There has been talk about reducing the number of livestock world wide because they are a large polluter. Reduce the number of animals on the planet and plant production is also reduced.

This reduces our food supply, which I understand is in short supply world wide.
More people may starve to death, which further reduces the worlds population.

Mother nature has everything in a balance.

Reducing the worlds population is one of the goals of the New World Order.

Yes farm animals are large contributors to greenhouse gases.(Due to the methane gas in their feces). The earth was never ment to sustain that many cows/chickens/pigs to satisfy the diet of first world nations. Also, in the midwest/west US, the largest water table is depleting quickly primarily due to providing water for livestock (and keeping golf courses green, but that's another story)

Meat is not necessary for a healthy diet. (I've been a vegetarian for almost 20 years, and I'm not dead yet ) That is a falicy maintained by the corps that process meat. Also, tradition has a big hold on what people want to eat/believe they should eat.

In fact, if land was dedicated to growing crops vs. meat, more people around the world, not less could be fed.

IMO "the new world order" is just a scare tactic.

[Hawk]

IMO "the new world order" is just a scare tactic.

I believe that if you were to do a Google search on 'One World Government' you might find that it's a lot more than just a scare tactic.

Of course that would oblige you to separate fact from fallacy - a daunting task at best.

[Beancounter]

I believe that if you were to do a Google search on 'One World Government' you might find that it's a lot more than just a scare tactic.

Of course that would oblige you to separate fact from fallacy - a daunting task at best.

One world gov't? Remember how long it took the Europeans to agree on a single currency? A single gov't would be a lot harder.

Besides, we all know that the U.S. runs the world by default anyway

[Hawk]

Besides, we all know that the U.S. runs the world by default anyway

We may have at one time, but not anymore. This country is so far in debt it may never get out.

He who controls the gold makes the rules. That's certainly not us anymore.

[Gwizz]

I'm not a 100% vegetarian; but getting closer.

I agree. If we plant more greenery we would not only be a healthier food, but we would have more oxygen to breath. I read some place that the percentage amount of atmospheric oxygen is slowly dropping each year. This is blamed on man for cutting down the Rain Forest.

On the grand scale of things:

If we succeed in reducing the world population of men and animals to equal the drop in oxygen, we should have enough Oxygen to go around. But if we increase the greenery we will eventually need more Co2 produced by the animals and not less, to keep the greenery healthy and provide us with food.

If environmentalist succeed in reducing the amount of atmospheric Co2, would that not starve some the greenery we now have, making it harder to grow more greenery?

It seems the balance is complicated. Maybe humans should stop trying to control Mother Nature as a means for making a profit.

Methane Gas:

Mother Nature stores a gigantic amount of methane at the bottom of the ocean.
Should the oceans ever heat up enough to release this methane, we definitely would have global warming on a very grand scale, should it ignite.

Mother Nature is in a marvelous balance. I'm often awed by the complexity if it.