bombardiere wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:59 amTo be honest, I can't remember of what kind of travesty was introduced in 1.06 for a Prairie. Did I do that?
And I was surprised to find 4-6-0 G5 in your sheet. I thought that was still in my workbench.
1.06 doesn't have a Prairie. And the G5 is just an Atlantic model with a reskin and different wheels, which is pretty close to what it was in real life anyway. Has a few bodgey bits, but they would be easy to fix.
The main thing wrong with the default Atlantic model is its scale. It's ridiculously big compared to what it should be. The default Pacific is even stupider. It's supposed to be a K4 but looks nothing like one, and they made it even bigger than the Atlantic, probably because they thought "Do'h, Pacifics were bigger than Atlantics so we have to make this look bigger".
TBH some of the default locos are so screwed that I'd be tempted to just eliminate them from scenarios and substitute custom locos.
I agreed that the game's Eight Wheeler does not make much sense. A top speed 100 mph when 80 mph would have been more realistic.
Well, that should be fixed easily and perhaps doing that, pulling power could be increased in compensation. Class A4 Mallard would benefit same treatment. First there is some valid speculation that if it ever reached that 126 mph speed and anyway it almost crashed during that attempt. You simply don't do anything like that with paying passengers. I feel that it should be faster than German Br.01, so around 110 mph would be sufficient. Again some extra pulling power to compensate this.
Yes those speeds make more sense. A4's commonly operated up to 95 or 100, with occasional peaks around 110 (downhill, at a guess). So did quite a few other UK express locos. The BR 01 never ran at 93 mph in service, although it was probably capable of that speed. IIRC they were limited to 120 kmh in service, which is 75 mph.
That brings me to Euro locos. These is a huge gap between Beuth 2-2-2 and 4-4-0 Duke and what is more astonishing, it does not have a dedicated Euro freight steam engine until Kriegslok in 1942!
Dx Goods is vital, borked it may be. It could also use something bigger during late years of 1800s.
Yes, Euro and World freight definitely need more options. I have some ideas there, as you can see from the second spreadsheet. Express isn't so bad, because there are the Crampton, Stirling and Duke already. The Beuth is really a mixed traffic loco. IRL it only did about 25 mph flat out.
I have felt that P8 exit dated is too early, so I did push it until 1960s. If there would be a fixed Black 5, it could fill the space.
PopTop seems to have used build dates for locos. Personally I'm inclined to not have stop dates on locomotives, unless in some cases the early ones become an exploit. I don't think that will happen. I think having them all without stop dates won't be a problem in practice, and it will give a lot more scope for steam in later years. I want this, since I only play steam.
PoP Top gave 4-4-0 good grade climbing so I have used it as mixed traffic engine, but sure it is a light passenger engine. Oh those Caledonian mountains.
The Duke? Yes it was an express loco, and was intended to be pretty good up grades. Flat country express at the time was usually 2-2-2 or 4-2-2.
What is kkStB Reihe 108 2C1? I tried to google it, but I got pictures of Atlantics. If I read that wheel arrangement right, it should be a Pacific then?
No, Atlantic. The C was a typo. The 108 was a nice unit. I like them.
I would fancy a Bavarian Pacific, which I remember as Br.18. A nice small Pacific. Pacifics in the game tend to be big ones.
Yes I'd like some extra ones too, more for fun than because the game actually needs them. The Bavarian S3/6 are elegant units, and I like the Württemberg C too.
The BR naming came in later, when the various state railways were amalgamated into the federal system. For instance, the BR39 was originally the Prussian P10, and carried the Prussian green livery rather than the later Darth Vader livery.
I am not sure would Class V2 offer much to the game. And plenty of Euro Big Pacifics already so I feel that Princess Royal is unnecessary duplication. Sure I can use it in UK scenario, but it does pretty much same than German Br.01.
Sure, but you wouldn't want to use a BR01 in a UK scenario. And anyway the BR01 is more like an A1: three cylinder, moderate size. The V2 is a nice loco, so might as well stay.
As you have said, the World section has huge gap, but I would sort out US and Euro first and perhaps improve World as a "region" pack. Not many places did locomotives in 1800s so US engines would fill gaps here. I would look at Indian subcontinent and if you can pull a SAR Garret then I would be elated.
Agreed. World locos in the 1800's were mainly UK and US exports. Australia used both, but mainly UK-built. We even had a class of Moguls that were built in Scotland by Dubs, but to a Baldwin design. They were nicknamed "Scotch Yankees".
By the way, I have quite a few figures on speeds that were common in practice in the 19th century. Freight, even in the 1890's, often ran at 20 mph or less. Express was usually around 50. Basically, loads increased in weight over the 19th century, but speeds didn't change all that much.
This could be my personal bias, but I would categorise Russia as World. The Soviet area brought some grand designs and I was tinkering one or two.
I agree.
Some of the earlier, pre-Soviet ones are interesting too.